Re: International Women's Day

Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:17:02 EST
Marxjr (

In a message dated 98-03-12 03:56:56 EST,

<< But two points: first, instead of saying simply "subordinate," I should
said "subordinate in Marx's analysis of history." As I discussed in my essay
on value, I believe that Marx tends to place "production" and "reproduction"
in two different categories, the former having to do with history (social),
and the latter having to do with evolution (natural). And second, your
discussion here is description, having to do with capitalism only. What is
missing in Marx is a analytical framework which shows the dialectical
relationship of production and reproduction as equal and opposite in all
forms of society.
Greetings All,
First off, I have just subscribed and this was the first post I have
gotten in my mail box, needless to say I found it interesting.
Secondly, maybe I am off here but........I have never understood Marxism
to dismiss the female plight as it applies to "production". This is not to say
the man, Marx addressed women directly in his writings, but to say that the
understanding of women's needs in terms of "production" can easily be included
inside a Marxist framework. Then the question becomes what is "production"?
This is where I may be misunderstanding but, does not Engels address this in a
writing to Bloch in 1890, (Taken from "Marxism and The History of Science" by
Robert M. Young); "According to the materialist conception of history, the
ultimate determining element in history is the production and reproduction of
real life. Mor than this neither Marx nor have I ever asserted. Hence if
somebody twists this into saying that the economic element is the only
determining one, he transforms that proposition into a meaningless, abstract,
senseless phrase. The economic situation is the basis, but the various
elements of the superstructure- politcal forms of the class struggle and its
results, to wit: constitutions established by the victorious class after
battle, etc...-also exercise their influence upon the course of the historical
struggles and in many cases proponderate in determining their form. There is
an interaction of all these elements....." Now maybe I misunderstand, but it
seems to me in the very least one can see that it(women's issues of
reproduction as a form of equal production) would be easily applied if not
already incorperated in a way. Any response would be appreciated.

Regards, Mike