Wesley's historical and biblical view of the world, according to Curtiss

On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 13:05:21 -0500 Curtiss Priest 
<bmslib@mit.edu> writes:

> As some know, I have given a home to Wesley Burt's 
> charts:
> 
> http://www.epie.org/cyber-soc/default.htm
> 
> In that Wesley often cites scholars who I recognize
> and appreciate, I have attempted to unravel his
> messages.
> 
> [yes, Wesley, they are a tad difficult to follow, one
> would say, polemic, but I do believe you have grains
> of truth in what you say.]
> 
> So, I received this note in response to Wesley Burt's
> material, and thought it was astute:
> 
> Message: 1
>    Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 23:22:41 -0500
>    From: Leonardo Wild <dlwild@access.net.ec>
>    Subject: Fear Of The SSGBs who have the Power?
> 
> Dear Wesley,
> 
> A good book to read about the disruption of today's world's antics 
> is:
> 
> VOLTAIR'S BASTARDS: The Dictatorship of Reason in the West, by John 
> Ralston Saul.
> 
> We can reason about stuff forever, but it is reason what has put us 
> in 
> the mess we are in ... or along those lines.
> 
> On a side-note about the reasons for IT ALL.
> 
> The Three Structures of Power are:
> 
> Economy,
> Politics,
> Religion.
> 
> Communism denied the structure of Religion, so Politics, besides 
> politics, became the structure of Belief as well (that is, the
> Religion).
> 
> Capitalism has denied Politics (not important since we live in a 
> democracy, right?), so Economy has become the structure of Political 
> 
> control.
> 
> Deny one side, and you make it become part of the side that is 
> trying to 
> deny it.
> 
> Now we are having a war that claims it is all about politics (we have 
> all voted against Weapons of Mass Destruction, right?), but the real 
> reason is economic.
> 
> And the war for the elimination of Iraq's WMDs isn't really a political

> reason, but rather just an excuse to push the Law of Economic Power, 
> the war between the US Dollar and the Euro. But that war would make 
> NO SENSE at all if money weren't scarce, if money weren't about a 
> struggle for the monopoly over the motor of Economy (money).
> 
> It is not Fear of the SSGBs who have the Power, but rather the 
> Ignorance that those SSGBs have Power because of HOW money 
> works.
> 
> If we try to explain Economy in terms of Politics as if that were the 
> Religion, we are only muddling up the crystal clear problem Solon 
> recognized in BC 596 and managed to change ... until the SSGBs 
> who used money (interest earning dough) to gain control and then 
> Power managed to abolish Solon's Constitution (no debt, no interest 
> on money, among other things) and finally the Greek Empire 
> collapsed, and later, for the same reasons, the Roman Empire 
> collapsed, and now we are at the last step of that ladder for the very 
> same reasons ....

> MONEY that earns interest, today's Religion of the Material God of
> Reason.
> 
> It shouldn't be a reform of ethics, but a reform of reason.
> 
> m = material-mineral
> v = life (vegetable)
> c = consciousness (animal)
> s = self-awareness (human)
> 
> Our reason, our science, our technology, deals ONLY with m. But 
> m is convergent (E=mc2, a + b = c), yet everything starting with v is 
> divergent (life). THEY haven't even reached v, and they want to make 
> it all converge on the monetization of the planet? That's their reason,

> 
> their reasoning, their reason d'etre.
> Make money, control the money, ISSUE the darn thing!
> Monopolize it.
> Monetize Oil.
> Monetize v, c, s.
> 
> Change the reason of MONEY and you change reason of Action.
> Demonetize War.
> No reason for it anymore.
> The Holy Cows of Money can forget their Holo Caust.
> 
> But if you use THEIR Reason to find a reason for their reasons, 
> you'll 
> forever converge on m. Morto est.
> 
> So what is the reason for IJCCR?
> 
> It's not to reason with their Reason, that's a waste of time.
> 
> Just a near-midnight ramble from a wild corner of a quiet place in 
> the 
> Andes ...
> 
> Best,
> 
> Leonardo Wild
> 
> 
> [source: Subject: [ijccr] Digest Number 414}
> -- 
> 
> 
>            W. Curtiss Priest, Director, CITS
>         Research Affiliate, Culture & Media, MIT
>       Center for Information, Technology & Society
>          466 Pleasant St., Melrose, MA  02176
>    781-662-4044  BMSLIB@MIT.EDU http://Cybertrails.org
> 
> ==^=================================================

Dear Curtiss,

Thank you for giving my charts a home, for attempting to unravel 
my messages, and for finding grains of truth in what I say.  You 
are the third person to offer my charts a home. 

Derek Darves, now at <http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~darves/> put 
the charts on the web at <http://www.freespeech.org> in 1999, 
right next to an article by the MIT house radical (chomsky@mit.edu).

James N. Rose, at <http://www.ceptualinstitute.com> offered to 
put the charts on his site in 2000, if I would remove all religious 
references.  That would have put the charts beyond the reach of 
the 60% of Americans who profess to be religious.  So I declined.

W. Curtiss Priest, at <http://Cybertrails.org> had collected 19 of 
my figures before offering on 14 Oct 2002 to put them on the web 
at <http://www.epie.org/cyber-soc/default.htm>.  Only eight were 
required to tell the story of the century old systemic defect in US 
public policy.

I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people 
who have mentioned, or asked a question about, any of the 
eight charts since 1999.  Only mechanics and trades people use 
graphics to express them selves.  Educated folks do it with words.

About four hours before your note, Curtiss, I replied to Mr. Wild's 
astute post as follows:

From: "Wesley S. Burt" <wesburt@juno.com>
To: dlwild@access.net.ec
Cc: wesburt@juno.com,ijccr@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:48:33 -0500
Subject: Re: [ijccr] Fear Of The SSGBs who have the Power?

On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 23:22:41 -0500 Leonardo Wild <dlwild@access.net.ec>
writes:

> Dear Wesley,
> 
~~~~~~~ Snip ~~~~~~~~
> Just a near-midnight ramble from a wild corner of a quiet place in 
> the 
> Andes ...
> 
> Best,
> 
> Leonardo Wild
> 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dear Leonardo, 

Thanks for writing.  Some of the most interesting people I have met 
on the Internet are sitting it out in parts of South America. Your
"near-midnight ramble" is one of the best.

Kind regards,

Wes Burt
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Law lasted about 500 years after Moses promulgated it at MT Sinai.
The Law vanished again after Numa Pompilus established it in Rome.
The Law vanished again after Solon established it in Greece.
The Law was not restored by Christ, nor by the Church Of Rome, 
until after World War II in Europe.
The law may have been established by Muhammad, but it vanished again.
The law vanished a century after the founders of the US established it.  

The First Tithe is the only interest-free loan needed to cure the 5% of 
GDP shortage of purchasing power that presently depresses the 
American economy.  But it seems to be the Divine Right, and privilege, 
of Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, and Protestant WHIPs to keep the public
ignorant of the Law of Moses and Paul A. Samuelson.

Curtiss, you are over due for a short dissertation on why you wanted 
to put those charts on your web site in the first place.

Kind regards,

Wes Burt



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